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| SandFish | | 06. Jun 2024, 21:36 |
#5961
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| Kopš: 26. Feb 2010
Ziņojumi: 55
Braucu ar: xD
| Negribu novirzīties no tēmas, bet nu tomēr - vai kādam ir pieredze VW ID7 ikdienas lietošanā?
Ir kādi būtiski mīnusi tieši šīs markas/modeļa EV? |  Offline | | |
Lafter  | | 06. Jun 2024, 21:49 |
#5962
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|  Kopš: 23. Sep 2007
Ziņojumi: 28686
Braucu ar: wv
| Tāds palags uzpeldēja tagad- tieši tēmā.
Electric Cars Are Suddenly Becoming Affordable
More efficient manufacturing, falling battery costs and intense competition are lowering sticker prices for battery-powered models to within striking distance of gasoline cars.
Alex Lawrence, a dealer in Salt Lake City who specializes in used electric cars, has seen a change over the last year in the kinds of customers who are coming into his showroom. They used to be well-heeled professionals who could drop $70,000 on a Rivian luxury pickup truck.
Recently, Mr. Lawrence said, customers have been snapping up used Teslas for a little over $20,000, after applying a $4,000 federal tax credit.
“We’re seeing younger people,” Mr. Lawrence said. “We are seeing more blue-collar and entry-level white-collar people. The purchase price of the car has suddenly become in reach.”
Regarded by conservative politicians and other critics as playthings of the liberal elite, electric vehicles are fast becoming more accessible. Prices are falling because of increased competition, lower raw-material costs and more efficient manufacturing. Federal tax credits of up to $7,500 for new electric cars, often augmented by thousands of dollars in state incentives, push prices even lower. At the same time, technology is improving quickly and making electric vehicles more practical. Cars that can travel more than 300 miles on a fully charged battery are becoming common, and charging times are dropping below 30 minutes. The number of fast chargers, which can top up a battery in less than half an hour, grew 36 percent from April 2023 to April 2024.
Carmakers including Tesla, Ford, General Motors and Stellantis, the owner of Jeep, have announced plans for electric vehicles that would sell new for as little as $25,000.
“The E.V. market has hit an inflection point,” said Randy Parker, chief executive of Hyundai Motor America, which will begin producing electric vehicles at a factory in Georgia by the end of the year. “The early adopters have come. They’ve got their cars. Now you’re starting to see us transition to a mass market.”
All this is good news for proponents of electric vehicles and the Biden administration, which is aiming for half of new cars sold to be electric by 2030 as part of the president’s plan to combat climate change. Even if Republicans gain control of the White House and Congress and follow through on promises to dismantle electric vehicle subsidies, they may not be able to undo the market forces pushing down prices. “There may be some hiccups in the exact pace and scale of E.V. sales if there are major policy changes, but I wouldn’t expect the E.V. market to flatline,” said Peter Slowik, who leads research on passenger cars at the International Council on Clean Transportation, a research organization. “Most automakers are committed to an all-electric future, and many are planning on a timeline that goes far beyond the next administration.”
Electric cars, sales of which have slowed in recent months, are still more expensive than gasoline models, costing an average of $55,252 in the United States in April, according to estimates by Kelley Blue Book. That is a decline of 9 percent from April 2023, but still about $6,700 more than the average for all vehicles.
But Mr. Slowik’s group estimates that cars and sport-utility vehicles capable of traveling 400 miles on a full battery will cost less than cars with internal combustion engines in 2030, even before taking into account government subsidies. (Pickup trucks, which require bigger batteries, will take a little longer, not reaching parity for 400-mile models until 2033.)
Those calculations do not take into account lower fuel and maintenance costs that strengthen the financial argument for electric vehicles. Electricity is almost always cheaper per mile than gasoline, and battery-powered vehicles don’t need oil changes, engine air filters or spark plugs. For people who drive a lot, electric cars may already be a better deal. At the same time, some automakers are offering strong discounts on E.V. models as an enticement for buyers. While prices are clearly trending downward, there are risks. China supplies more than half of the lithium-ion batteries used in cars sold in the United States, according to Interact Analysis, a research firm. Those batteries will become more expensive because the Biden administration announced in May that it would raise tariffs on them to 25 percent from 7.5 percent.
Many companies are building battery factories in the United States and Canada, but most of these won’t produce enough batteries to replace China for several years.
Raw materials are another risk. The price of lithium and other materials required for batteries has plunged in the last 12 months, making electric cars cheaper. But commodity prices could soar again.
The recent slowdown in the growth of electric car sales has prompted Tesla, Ford and others to delay plans to expand manufacturing. But many analysts expect sales to pick up as a glut of models pushes down prices, and as the charging network grows. High prices and the fear of not being able to find a place to recharge are the two biggest reasons people hesitate to buy an electric vehicle, surveys show. For many people, the car’s price is not the only expense to consider. People who live in apartments often depend on public charging plugs. Public charging, besides being less convenient, tends to be more costly than charging at home. Still, the forces pushing prices down are powerful. Manufacturing costs are dropping as traditional carmakers, who were slow to sell electric vehicles, start to apply their decades of experience with mass production to the new technology.
Later this year, for example, General Motors will begin selling an electric version of its Chevrolet Equinox sport-utility vehicle that will have a range of more than 300 miles and sell for less than $30,000 after the $7,500 federal tax credit. And the company plans to sell an even cheaper car, a new Chevrolet Bolt, next year. The Equinox and Bolt will be built on G.M.’s Ultium platform, a collection of components that can be used for a variety of vehicles including pickups and luxury Cadillacs. G.M., which has cut costs by using the same batteries and parts for different models, has said its electric vehicles will become profitable in the second half of this year.
Electric cars still cost more to manufacture than cars with internal combustion engines, said Prateek Biswas, an analyst at Wood Mackenzie, a research firm. But costs will come down as companies learn how to produce the cars more efficiently, Mr. Biswas said — for example, by eliminating rare minerals from electric motors or replacing copper wiring with aluminum.
At the same time, the cost to make a gasoline car is rising because of stricter emissions regulations. “At some point it will be easier to just move toward E.V.s,” Mr. Biswas said.
Competition is also intensifying. Toyota and other Japanese carmakers with a reputation for delivering reliable and affordable vehicles are belatedly offering electric vehicles. Honda plans to begin producing them at an Ohio factory next year.
There will be more than 100 fully electric models for sale in the United States by next year, according to Cars.com, an online sales platform, double the number available last year. “We’re at the point now where anybody that wants an E.V. for a price point can actually get an E.V.,” said Rebecca Lindland, senior director of industry data at Cars Commerce, which operates Cars.com.
Used car prices are arguably more important than prices of new cars. Most people buy used cars. A vibrant used market vastly increases the number of people who can consider an electric vehicle.
Models from Tesla, Nissan or G.M. have been on the road for three years or more, generating inventory for dealers as the original owners buy new ones. More than half of the used electric vehicles on the market sell for less than $30,000, according to Recurrent, a research firm that focuses on the used E.V. market.
Jesse Lore, owner of Green Wave Electric Vehicles in North Hampton, N.H., recently sold a used Chevy Bolt for $15,000. After applying a federal tax credit for used electric vehicles, the price was $11,000. Besides the lure of affordable prices, he noted, his customers like that electric vehicles are quieter than gasoline models, better for the environment, and faster because an electric motor generates instant torque.
“The car is more fun than whatever they’re driving now,” Mr. Lore said.
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| XK220 | | 06. Jun 2024, 22:26 |
#5963
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| Kopš: 26. Dec 2015
Ziņojumi: 3264
Braucu ar: Sarkanu, baltu un melnu
| Tagad arī e-corsa par 20k ar atbalstu. Sviestmaize. | | Offline | | |
| martins_usars | | 06. Jun 2024, 22:30 |
#5964
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|  Kopš: 01. May 2023
Ziņojumi: 1026
Braucu ar: BMW 530i, VW Passat 2.0TDI, AR Giulia 2.0T
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valsts atbalsts 16400 eiro apmērā  neslikts dīls | | Offline | | |
| XK220 | | 06. Jun 2024, 22:36 |
#5965
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| Kopš: 26. Dec 2015
Ziņojumi: 3264
Braucu ar: Sarkanu, baltu un melnu
| https://www.opelakcija.lv/lv/models/11 | | Offline | | |
| martins_usars | | 06. Jun 2024, 22:39 |
#5966
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| Kopš: 01. May 2023
Ziņojumi: 1026
Braucu ar: BMW 530i, VW Passat 2.0TDI, AR Giulia 2.0T
| ok, tas ir arguments  20k par jaunu auto, un ev, ir tiešām laba cena. pat ja 5 gadu laikā akumulators ir degradējies līdz 50km ziemā, gan jau pa kādi 10 tūkstoši varēs pārdot. | | Offline | | |
| XK220 | | 06. Jun 2024, 22:41 |
#5967
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| Kopš: 26. Dec 2015
Ziņojumi: 3264
Braucu ar: Sarkanu, baltu un melnu
| Opelim akumulators degradējas uz otru pusi, pēc 5 gadiem varēs apbraukt apkārt pasaulei  | | Offline | | |
| barney | | 07. Jun 2024, 08:41 |
#5968
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|  Kopš: 20. Oct 2011
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 504
Braucu ar: i3 & Subaru
| Man īsti nav saprotama ņemšanās ap degradācijas jautājumu. Man e-golfam tikko apgriezās 100k km. Tas auto katru dienu tiek lādēts līdz 100% un regulāri tiek izbraukts gandrīz tukšs. Es pagaidām nekādas degradācijas pazīmes nenovēroju..
Ātrajās uzlādēs gan tas auto iebrauc varbūt 1-2 reizes mēnesī max. | | Offline | | |
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| Zeip | | 07. Jun 2024, 09:05 |
#5969
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| Kopš: 22. May 2016
Ziņojumi: 88
Braucu ar:
| Ir kam tas ir aktuāli, ir kam nav. Nu tas pats Norvēģu Bjorns youtubē ir dafiga video taisījis, kur viņam cilvēki dod testēt dažus gadus vecas mašīnas, kur jau 10, 20, 30% degredācija ir. Cik plaša problēma, protams, hvz. | | Offline | | |
| DimanC | | 07. Jun 2024, 09:12 |
#5970
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| Kopš: 07. Jan 2004
Ziņojumi: 328
Braucu ar: elektrību
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07 Jun 2024, 08:41:45 @barney rakstīja:
Man īsti nav saprotama ņemšanās ap degradācijas jautājumu. Man e-golfam tikko apgriezās 100k km. Tas auto katru dienu tiek lādēts līdz 100% un regulāri tiek izbraukts gandrīz tukšs. Es pagaidām nekādas degradācijas pazīmes nenovēroju..
Ātrajās uzlādēs gan tas auto iebrauc varbūt 1-2 reizes mēnesī max.
ar kādām metodēm Tu veic novērojumus? reizi mēnesī izbrauc tukšu akumulatoru identiskos apstākļos? slēdzies pie OBD un čeko baterijas SOH? ar sajūtām vien degradāciju nepiefiksēsi. Kad piefiksēsi, tad jau būs liela - 15..20% vai vairāk.
Tāpat kā ikdienas lietotājs neievēros, ja viņa ICE patēriņš palielinās par 5 vai 7%. (uz riepu, degvielas vai aiztirsta filtra rēķina). Tāpat arī 7% degradāciju uz 100k km baterijai nemanīsi. | | Offline | | |
| versatile | | 07. Jun 2024, 10:22 |
#5971
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|  Kopš: 03. Sep 2015
Ziņojumi: 1166
Braucu ar:
| Vai ta pēc likuma nav 8gadi/160kkm garantija baterijai? Tb, ja degradācija virs 20%, tad jauna baterija un rullē tālāk. Nevis kaut kāds maģiskais "piēsmit kāem pēc pieci gād"
Degradācija vislielākā pirmajā gadā or so. Pēc tam esot vienmērīgāk.[ Šo ziņu laboja versatile, 07 Jun 2024, 10:23:40 ] | | Offline | | |
| barney | | 07. Jun 2024, 11:02 |
#5972
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| Kopš: 20. Oct 2011
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 504
Braucu ar: i3 & Subaru
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07 Jun 2024, 09:12:58 @DimanC rakstīja:
07 Jun 2024, 08:41:45 @barney rakstīja:
Man īsti nav saprotama ņemšanās ap degradācijas jautājumu. Man e-golfam tikko apgriezās 100k km. Tas auto katru dienu tiek lādēts līdz 100% un regulāri tiek izbraukts gandrīz tukšs. Es pagaidām nekādas degradācijas pazīmes nenovēroju..
Ātrajās uzlādēs gan tas auto iebrauc varbūt 1-2 reizes mēnesī max.
ar kādām metodēm Tu veic novērojumus? reizi mēnesī izbrauc tukšu akumulatoru identiskos apstākļos? slēdzies pie OBD un čeko baterijas SOH? ar sajūtām vien degradāciju nepiefiksēsi. Kad piefiksēsi, tad jau būs liela - 15..20% vai vairāk.
Tāpat kā ikdienas lietotājs neievēros, ja viņa ICE patēriņš palielinās par 5 vai 7%. (uz riepu, degvielas vai aiztirsta filtra rēķina). Tāpat arī 7% degradāciju uz 100k km baterijai nemanīsi.
Kāda vēl līdz tukšam izbraukšana un mērīšana/rēķināšana?  Maršruti baigi nemainās un visur kur vajag joprojām var aizbraukt. Ja arī tur ir 7 vai 10 vai hvz cik % degradācija, kāda atšķirība vai vakarā auto pie šepseļa tiek nolikts ar 25% vai 15% atlikumu.. | | Offline | | |
| shirminieks | | 07. Jun 2024, 12:49 |
#5973
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|  Kopš: 13. Jan 2013
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 1709
Braucu ar: 81
| Nez vai ICE braucēji tāpat uztraucas par sprauslu degradāciju, turbīnas spiediena zudumiem? | | Offline | | |
| bum_bumz | | 07. Jun 2024, 12:53 |
#5974
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| Kopš: 05. Jan 2006
Ziņojumi: 6746
Braucu ar: E34
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07 Jun 2024, 08:41:45 @barney rakstīja:
Man īsti nav saprotama ņemšanās ap degradācijas jautājumu. Man e-golfam tikko apgriezās 100k km. Tas auto katru dienu tiek lādēts līdz 100% un regulāri tiek izbraukts gandrīz tukšs. Es pagaidām nekādas degradācijas pazīmes nenovēroju..
Ātrajās uzlādēs gan tas auto iebrauc varbūt 1-2 reizes mēnesī max.
Izklausās labs piemērs EV iegādei, sanāk kārtīgs darba zirgs.
Man dyzelinas jābrauc iepildīt 1x mēnesī un tad aizmirst par to 
Kad purčika iedzīvotājs varēs braukt mēnesi ar 1 uzlādi, tad lietotas e-corsas izķers kā karstas bulciņas | | Offline | | |
| XK220 | | 07. Jun 2024, 13:05 |
#5975
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| Kopš: 26. Dec 2015
Ziņojumi: 3264
Braucu ar: Sarkanu, baltu un melnu
| Dīzeli parasti braucu pildīt 2-3x mēnesī. Atceros kāds pisiens katru reizi, pirmkārt jau jābrauc līkums uz DUS. Otrkārt, katru otro reizi kāds sūknis nestrādā. Treškārt - bieži darbu beidzu vēlu, aizbraucot uz tuvāko dus tur kase slēgta. Ceturtkārt, aizbraucot normālā laikā - rindas.
Mājās iespraužu auto rozetē un nākamajā rītā pilns. Process aizņem 15sec. Jā, mēnesi nevaru nobraukāt, nedēļu gan.
Skaties uz to tā - Tu izvēlētos telefonu, kurš jālādē katru dienu no mājām/darba, vai telefonu, kurš turēs nedēļu, bet ir jāved uz specializētu servisu un jāgaida rindā kamēr priekšā esošie izvlēsies kādā krāsā maciņu vēlas nopirkt?
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| kexxx | | 07. Jun 2024, 13:17 |
#5976
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|  Kopš: 12. Dec 2010
Ziņojumi: 12318
Braucu ar:
| nu jā, elektroauto uzlāde ir reāli ērtāka- vajag tikai privātmāju, attiecīgu elektrības pieslēgumu (pieņemu, ka bez 3f nejas tur labs nebūs ), lādētāju pa kādu štuku un viss- dzīvo un priecājies | | Offline | | |
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| Samsasi | | 07. Jun 2024, 13:26 |
#5977
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|  Kopš: 01. Nov 2014
Ziņojumi: 4573
Braucu ar:
| Xk220 kurā tanka paldies? Kautkadā kongā levaja? Nekad nav bijusi kasē slēgta. Pēdējo gadu laikā visas pistoles ir strādājušas... Nelaist putns esi? | | Offline | | |
| uteo | | 07. Jun 2024, 13:30 |
#5978
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|  Kopš: 26. Jun 2010
No: Sigulda
Ziņojumi: 959
Braucu ar:
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07 Jun 2024, 13:26:33 @Samsasi rakstīja:
Xk220 kurā tanka paldies? Kautkadā kongā levaja? Nekad nav bijusi kasē slēgta. Pēdējo gadu laikā visas pistoles ir strādājušas... Nelaist putns esi?
Jā, arī nekad nav bijis gadījums, kad nestrādā kāds sūknis un lielajos tankos kase ir 24/7 un daudz kur termināļi pie sūkņa.
Laikad kādā vietējā Jelgavas gadjušņikā būs barons pildījies. | | Offline | | |
| XK220 | | 07. Jun 2024, 13:32 |
#5979
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| Kopš: 26. Dec 2015
Ziņojumi: 3264
Braucu ar: Sarkanu, baltu un melnu
| Lādētājs nāk līdzi auto, bet ja gribas wallbox, tad zem 300eur jau ir daudzi piedāvājumi tepat LV.
Man pieslēghums ir 3f20a, bet tikai tāpēc, ka ir arī paneļi un siltumsūknis.
Darbā ir 1f25a, kur dotajā brīdī lādējas auto ar 12A un saule arī skaisti ražo.
Man tuvākais DUS no mājāmn ir Astarte 12Km attālumā. Nu, vispār tagad uzcēla arī Nesti, tā arī ir aptuveni tikpat tālu. Kase 24/7 varbūt ir uz papīra, bet laika posmā no pusnakts līdz aptuveni vieniem tā ir ciet un gaidi kā lohs pie lodziņa, jo kases atskaite tiek ņemts un hvz kas vēl tiek darīts. Un tad, kad es gribu max ātri uz mājām, tad besy.
[ Šo ziņu laboja XK220, 07 Jun 2024, 13:35:42 ] | | Offline | | |
| kexxx | | 07. Jun 2024, 13:36 |
#5980
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| Kopš: 12. Dec 2010
Ziņojumi: 12318
Braucu ar:
| kāds tieši lādētājs nāk līdzi auto? 220v ligzdā iespraužams vai 3f vai kāds?  | | Offline | | |
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