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Rockstar
16. May 2024, 16:21 #9021

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Laikam jāsāk baidīties no 9:48
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16. May 2024, 16:48 #9022

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Live iet NYT par šito.

May 16, 2024, 9:30 a.m. ET15 minutes ago
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Live Updates: Suspect Is Charged in Attempted Killing of Slovakia’s Leader
The authorities did not identify the suspect in the shooting of Prime Minister Robert Fico but described him as a “lone wolf.” Politicians called for calm as Mr. Fico’s condition appeared to stabilize.

Here are the latest developments.

A suspect in the shooting of Slovakia’s prime minister, Robert Fico, has been charged, the country’s interior minister said on Thursday, describing him as a “lone wolf” who was radicalized after last month’s presidential election.

Mr. Fico’s condition had stabilized after what his government called a politically motivated assassination attempt, but he was “not out of a life-threatening situation,” the deputy prime minister told a news conference. He said Mr. Fico had only a “limited” ability to communicate and faced a “difficult” recovery.

The authorities have not named the suspect, who Slovakian news media outlets described as a 71-year-old amateur poet. But the shooting on Wednesday immediately raised political tempers in the Central European nation, which was already sharply divided between supporters of Mr. Fico (pronounced FEET-soh), who back his right-wing nationalist and anti-immigration policies, and opponents who accuse him of destroying democracy.

As the prime minister’s allies accused opponents of having “blood on their hands,” officials were urging political parties and the public to reject escalatory rhetoric and hatred. Echoing other politicians, the president-elect, Peter Pellegrini — an ally of Mr. Fico’s who was elected last month — said that “Slovakia must walk on the path of peace, not reply to hatred with hatred.”

Mr. Pellegrini called on all Slovak political parties to temporarily pause their campaigns for next month’s European Parliament elections.

Here’s what else to know:

Mr. Fico, a combative, shape-shifting veteran politician widely loathed by Bratislava liberals but popular outside the capital, was shot multiple times on Wednesday, taking at least one bullet in his abdomen. The shooting occurred after meetings with local officials and supporters in Handlova, a town in central Slovakia that voted heavily for his party in a September parliamentary election.

Slovakia’s political temperature has risen to fever pitch in recent months as Mr. Fico’s government, in power since a tight September election, has pushed for an overhaul of the country’s state broadcasting system to purge what it sees as liberal bias. Critics have accused Mr. Fico of trying to take Slovakia back to the repression of the country’s communist past before the 1989 fall of the Berlin Wall.

Amid criticism of how Mr. Fico’s security detail responded to the assassination attempt, the police said they had opened an inquiry into the response of security officials at the scene.

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16. May 2024, 16:55 #9023

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Zaļie cilvēciņi jau ieradušies sargāt fico?
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16. May 2024, 17:03 #9024

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...tā viš' i', tikko kļūsti kaut vai par niecīgu publisku personu, iespējamība aug, ka kāds motivēts agresīvs nelabvēlis var uzrasties. ...baigi retāk, bet arī ļautiņam parastajam tā var gadīties... Neatbalstu tā cietušā darbību, taču, vardarbību pret viņu nosodu.
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16. May 2024, 19:12 #9025

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Prokremliskos slovākus pārvietot uz okupēto Donbasu, lai izbauda Krievijas valsti.

Patiesībā šis ir labs iemesls Francijai pieteikt karu Krievijai(pēc ww1 loģikas)
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19. May 2024, 17:13 #9026

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Helicopter Carrying Iran’s President Has Crashed, State Media Reports
Rescuers are trying to locate the helicopter on which President Ebrahim Raisi and Foreign Minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian were traveling, state media reported. Their status is unknown.
A helicopter carrying President Ebrahim Raisi crashed on Sunday, according to Iran’s state media and the country’s mission to the U.N., but has yet to be found by search-and-rescue workers because of heavy fog.

The helicopter was also carrying Hossein Amir Abdollahian, Iran’s foreign minister.

The state news agency IRNA reported that an enormous search operation involving 16 teams was underway to locate the helicopter. Inclement weather, the reports said, was hampering the effort. The teams had yet to locate the crash site after almost five hours.

State media has yet to report on casualties or confirm the whereabouts or condition of the president. The cause of the crash is also unknown.

“Given the complexities of the region, connection has been difficult, and we are hoping that the rescue teams reach the helicopter and can give us more information,” Ahmad Vahidi, Iran’s interior minister, told state television.

Mr. Raisi was on an official visit to the province of Western Azerbaijan, a mountainous region in northwestern Iran.

A delegation of ministers traveled with him in a convoy of three helicopters, state media reported, adding that the two other aircraft had reached their destinations.

In addition to the president and the foreign minister, the governor of the province was also in the helicopter, which crashed in an area called Varzaghan, state media reported.

Iran’s law stipulates that if the president dies, power is transferred to the first vice president and an election must be called within six months. The first vice president is Mohammad Mokhber, a conservative politician.


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Teherānas miesnieks kirdik. Viņs esot atbildīgs par tūkstošiem irāņu nāvi, tā kā arī pašā Irānā šodien svētki.
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citi saka, ka vairāk valstī nosakot nevis prezidents, bet "pēc amata" otrais cilvēks, tādēļ esot maz cerību uz pārmaiņām
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Viņiem līderis ir Ajatola (Ayatollah-garīgais līderis) un Islāma revolucionārā gvarde. Tam prezidentam ir ietekme nav nekāda. Prezentatīva, tā kā nekādas izmaiņas tiešām nebūs. Jo nekas nemainīsies vispār. Izņemot kādas valsts apvainošanu Ja garīgais aizietu- tad cits stāsts. Te nekāda vihlopa.

Ebrahim Raisi, Iran’s President, Dies in Helicopter Crash at 63
The hard-line Shiite cleric was seen as a possible successor to Iran’s supreme leader. Mr. Raisi’s death comes at a moment of turbulence for a country facing a deepening conflict with Israel.


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After scouring a mountainous area of dense forest, rescuers found the remains of the aircraft, which had the president and foreign minister on board.Credit...Maansi Srivastava/The New York Times
By Erika Solomon and Farnaz Fassihi
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Updated 1:25 a.m. ET
Ebrahim Raisi, Iran’s president and a top contender to succeed the nation’s supreme leader, was killed on Sunday in a helicopter crash. He was 63.

A conservative Shiite Muslim cleric who had a hand in some of the most brutal crackdowns on opponents of the Islamic Republic, Mr. Raisi was a protégé of Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and a devoted upholder of religious rule in the country.

Mr. Raisi’s presidency was shaped by two major events: the 2022 nationwide uprising, led by women and girls, demanding the end to the Islamic Republic’s rule and the government’s brutal crushing of that movement; and the current Middle East war with Israel, with which it had a long history of clandestine attacks.

As the president under Iran’s political system, Mr. Raisi did not set the country’s nuclear or regional policy. But he inherited a government that was steadily expanding its regional influence through a network of proxy militia groups and a nuclear program that was rapidly advancing to weapons-grade uranium enrichment levels following the United States’ exit from a nuclear deal.

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Mr. Raisi endorsed and supported both of these policies and viewed them as essential for Iran to maintain its influence in the region and to exercise leverage over the West.

His death came as a yearslong shadow war became one of direct confrontation in the wake of Israel’s military assault on Gaza in retaliation for the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks on Israel.

Mr. Raisi was born in the northeastern city of Mashhad to a family of clerics, and he studied at the country’s famous seminary in Qum before participating as an 18-year-old in the 1979 Islamic revolution, which deposed Iran’s shah. Just two years later, Mr. Raisi became a judge in the newly created Islamic Republic, beginning a steady ascent to the top of Iranian politics.

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Like Mr. Khamenei and his predecessor, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the founder of the Islamic revolution, Mr. Raisi donned a cleric’s black turban, one that is reserved for “sayyids,” or people who trace their lineage back to the Prophet Muhammad.

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Mr. Raisi is in the center of five men, all dressed in black. At far right is Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, facing the four men to the left. Between the two men is Hassan Rouhani, wearing a white turban.
A photo provided by the Iranian government showing Ebrahim Raisi, center, greeting Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, in 2020. Between the two men is Hassan Rouhani, then Iran’s president, wearing a white turban.Credit...EPA, via Shutterstock
The issue of succession in Iran has become more pressing because Mr. Khamenei is 85 and frail. The selection of the next supreme leader is an opaque process of political rivalries and jockeying. Under the Constitution, an elected body of clerics called the Assembly of Experts picks the supreme leader.

Mr. Raisi was viewed as one of the top contenders for that role and was favored by the hard-line faction, as was Ayatollah Khamenei’s son Mojtaba, an influential cleric who helps run his father’s office. Mr. Raisi’s death essentially paves the path for the younger Mr. Khamenei to succeed his father.

Political analysts described Mr. Raisi as a loyal enforcer of Mr. Khamenei’s policies and a facilitator of the growing power of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps in Iran’s politics and economy.

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“He was not someone exuding charisma. His speeches were not motivating people to the streets. He was executing policy,” said Sanam Vakil, director of the Middle East and North Africa program at Chatham House. “Above all, he was a regime insider. He was an ideologue who worked within the system and through the system.”

Mr. Raisi’s supporters, including conservative pundits on state media, praised him for reimposing strict religious and social rules, being intolerant of dissent and turning Iran’s policies away from the West toward more engagement with Russia and China.

From 2016 to 2019, Mr. Raisi was at the helm of Astan Quds Razavi, a powerful multibillion-dollar religious conglomerate under the control of Mr. Khamenei and believed to be one of his most significant sources of wealth.

In 2019, Mr. Raisi became the head of Iran’s judiciary, and during his tenure he oversaw some of the most brutal crackdowns on dissent. At least 500 people were killed during nationwide demonstrations in November 2019 in response to a spike in fuel prices. The judiciary arrested activists, journalists, lawyers and dual national
Ebrahim Raisi, then Iran’s judiciary chief and a presidential candidate, greeted the news media after voting in Tehran in 2021.Credit...Arash Khamooshi for The New York Times
He became president in 2021 in an election that was widely seen as orchestrated to ensure his victory, with his most serious rivals having been disqualified.

Mr. Raisi campaigned as an anticorruption candidate but took up the presidency under a cloud of condemnation by government opponents and international rights groups. Rights groups highlighted Mr. Raisi’s background as a member of a four-person panel that ordered the execution of 5,000 political dissidents in 1988 without trials at the end of the Iran-Iraq war. Mr. Raisi has not denied being part of the panel and said in a speech that he was a junior official appointed to the role by the supreme leader at the time.

“We lost a generation of political minds and activists who could have been important players in Iranian society,” said Hadi Ghaemi, executive director of the Center for Human Rights in Iran.

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Mr. Raisi, he argued, played a hand in several of the most repressive moments of Iranian history, in particular the crackdowns on antigovernment protests in 2009 and 2022.


Mr. Raisi took power three years after Donald J. Trump, as president, withdrew from the nuclear deal between Iran and world powers. After the United States exited the deal, Mr. Trump reimposed tough economic sanctions on Iran, hitting the country’s oil sales and banks. A year later, after Iran failed to reap the benefits of the nuclear deal, it returned to enriching uranium at a near weapons-grade level.

Mr. Raisi took office promising to pursue a “resistance diplomacy,” meaning a defiance of Western powers but an openness to negotiations, particularly with the United States, to return to the nuclear deal and to seek the removal of sanctions. But months of negotiations fell through in the fall of 2021, and no deal has been reached with the Biden administration.

One of Mr. Raisi’s most important foreign policy achievements as president was one that had long eluded his predecessors: the restoration of ties with Iran’s longtime regional adversary, Saudi Arabia. In 2023, the two nations signed a deal in Beijing to re-establish diplomatic relations. Although largely symbolic, the agreement was seen as key to defusing their regional rivalry.

Mr. Raisi prioritized forging closer relations with Russia and China and pivoting away from the West, saying that Iran could not trust the United States and Europe after the collapse of the nuclear deal. Mr. Raisi’s government reached a sweeping 25-year economic, security and military deal with China: Iran agreed to sell Beijing discounted oil in exchange for $400 billion investments in Iran by Chinese companies in a wide range of sectors.

He also traveled to Moscow frequently to meet his Russian counterpart, President Vladimir V. Putin, and they deepened security and military relations. Iran has sold drones to Russia, which has used them in its war in Ukraine, although Mr. Raisi has denied this role.

Mr. Raisi’s impact on domestic policy during his presidency has been felt far more deeply, and his legacy is likely to be a contested one. During his rule, the country suffered severe economic downturns, driven by international sanctions and high unemployment.


“If you want to think of his legacy, he left the country’s economy in ruins, and it has become more repressive,” said Sina Azodi, a lecturer on Iran at George Washington University. “Iran was never democratic or free, but, since 2021, political repression has increased. No voice of dissent is tolerated.”

Under Mr. Raisi’s watch, Iran’s currency plunged to a record low, climate change and mismanagement intensified water shortages, and the country was hit in January by the deadliest terrorist attack since the 1979 founding of the republic.

Mr. Raisi also oversaw a brutal crackdown on antigovernment protests that erupted in 2022 after the death of a 21-year-old Kurdish woman, Mahsa Amini, while she was in the custody of Iran’s morality police. Her death set off a wave of protests led by women who took off their head scarves and called for the overthrow of the Islamic Republic.

After many Iranian women defied the mandatory hijab rule and appeared in public for over a year without covering their hair, Mr. Raisi announced this spring that he was going to re-enforce the hijab rule. His government dispatched the morality police back on the streets in April, after having earlier said the force was abolished, and many arrests of women turned violent.

Allegations of human rights abuses, for which the United States imposed sanctions on Mr. Raisi in 2019, dogged him on the international stage until the last years of his life.

Last December, he canceled a visit to the United Nations in Geneva amid concerns that he could face arrest over his alleged role in the 1988 mass executions because Sweden had prosecuted a more junior Iranian judiciary official under crimes against humanity. But Mr. Raisi did attend the U.N. General Assembly in New York every year, delivering heated speeches that blamed the dissent in Iran on foreign enemies while portraying his country as a model of good governance and as an upholder of human rights.

Mr. Raisi is survived by his wife, Jamileh Alamolhoda, a university professor of philosophy and education and daughter of an ultra hard-line influential cleric, Ahmad Alamolhoda. The couple have two daughters and at least one grandchild.

[ Šo ziņu laboja Lafter, 20 May 2024, 11:06:43 ]



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20. May 2024, 12:17 #9031

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pat, ja prezidents visu notiektu, uz kādām izmaiņām jūs cerētu?

ka viņi iestājas nato, eiropas savienībā? ka sāk sūtīt konfektes cilvēkiem? nu reāli - kādas tur izmaiņas?

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20 May 2024, 12:17:53 @user rakstīja:
pat, ja prezidents visu notiektu, uz kādām izmaiņām jūs cerētu?

ka viņi iestājas nato, eiropas savienībā? ka sāk sūtīt konfektes cilvēkiem? nu reāli - kādas tur izmaiņas?


izmaiņas vienmēr var būt, it sevišķi, kur radikālusms liels vai valsts politika kā dziļa pakaļa. No Čaveza līdz Javier... Nenovērtē līderus par zemu. Ja putlers atmestos, tauta gudrāka nekļūtu, bet tāda liela lieta kā karš, pastāv iespēja, ka beigtos 7 dienās.
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20 May 2024, 12:59:28 @Arsm3ns rakstīja:

20 May 2024, 12:17:53 @user rakstīja:
pat, ja prezidents visu notiektu, uz kādām izmaiņām jūs cerētu?

ka viņi iestājas nato, eiropas savienībā? ka sāk sūtīt konfektes cilvēkiem? nu reāli - kādas tur izmaiņas?


izmaiņas vienmēr var būt, it sevišķi, kur radikālusms liels vai valsts politika kā dziļa pakaļa. No Čaveza līdz Javier... Nenovērtē līderus par zemu. Ja putlers atmestos, tauta gudrāka nekļūtu, bet tāda liela lieta kā karš, pastāv iespēja, ka beigtos 7 dienās.


Puse powera saka, ka Putins ir miris un tur uzstajas viens no 100 dublieriem.. tatad vinsh jau ir miris
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20. May 2024, 13:55 #9034

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Irānā atšķirībā no krievijas ik pa laikam notiek būtiski protesti pret vadību, tādēl liekas, ka pastāv iespēja valstij kļūt liberālākai/atvērtākai pret Rietumiem, ja augstākā vadība nomainītos.

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Ja izmaiņas ir notikušas uz slikto pusi, tad kapēc nevarētu notikt uz labu?
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20. May 2024, 14:22 #9036

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Usiks noteikti ir iesaistīts

Pirms viņa iepriekšējās cīņas uzrāva gaisā prigožinu. Vēl pirms tam - duginu. Tagad šis.

Sakritība - nedomāju


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un atkal amerikāņi vainīgi, jo helīšiem, rezerves daļas sankcionētas

kā baudīt rietumu labumus, tā pirmie.

vispār nesaprotu ļaundarus. tie kas visskaļāk ir pret rietumiem, patiesībā aizgūtnēm bauda.

tāpat kā ģimenisko vērtību aizstāvji, beigās izrādās traki vardarbīgi un visos caurumos bāzēji
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20 May 2024, 14:14:59 @Belluuns rakstīja:
Ja izmaiņas ir notikušas uz slikto pusi, tad kapēc nevarētu notikt uz labu?

Tu tici ziemassvētku vecîtim arî?? Nu tā no sirds??
Tam vajag gadus. Nevis mēnešus vai gadu. Valsts kura ir pilnībā izmainījusies pēc 70tajiem 50 gadu garumā esošu sistēmu nevar izmainīt mēneša laikā.
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The International Criminal Court prosecutor, Karim Khan, said Monday that he had requested arrest warrants for the leaders of Hamas and for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel for war crimes and crimes against humanity in relation to the Oct. 7 attack and the war in Gaza.

In a statement, Mr. Khan said he was applying for arrest warrants for Yahya Sinwar, Muhammad Deif and Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas. He also said he was requesting warrants for Mr. Netanyahu and for Israel’s defense minister, Yoav Gallant.

While Mr. Khan’s request must still be approved by judges from the court, the announcement is a blow to the government of Mr. Netanyahu and will likely fuel international criticism of Israel’s strategy in its seven-month campaign against Hamas and the war’s toll on Gaza’s civilian population.

There was no immediate response from the Israeli government or from Hamas. Israel is not a member of the court and does not recognize its jurisdiction in Israel or Gaza. But if warrants are issued, those named could be arrested if they travel to one of the court’s 124 member nations, which include most European countries but not the United States.

Mr. Khan’s statement said that he had “reasonable grounds to believe” that Mr. Sinwar, Mr. Deif and Mr. Haniyeh were responsible for “war crimes and crimes against humanity” — including “the killing of hundreds of Israeli civilians in attacks perpetrated by Hamas.”

“It is the view of my Office that these individuals planned and instigated the commission of crimes on 7 October 2023, and have through their own actions, including personal visits to hostages shortly after their kidnapping, acknowledged their responsibility for those crimes,” the statement said.

With regard to Mr. Netanyahu and Mr. Gallant, the prosecutor said he believed the Israeli leaders bore criminal responsibility for war crimes and crimes against humanity, including using starvation as a weapon of war and “intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population.”

The court’s announcement does not come entirely as a surprise. In March, Volker Türk, the United Nations’ human rights chief, said that Israel’s restrictions on aid entering Gaza and the way it was conducting the war might amount to the use of starvation as a weapon. That is a war crime under the Rome Statute, the treaty of the International Criminal Court, or I.C.C.

Even though the court is a judicial body independent from the United Nations, Mr. Türk’s statement drew attention given his seniority. Israeli officials first said in late April that they believed the court was preparing to issue arrest warrants for senior government officials on charges related to the war.

On April 26, Mr. Netanyahu said on social media that the country “will never accept any attempt by the I.C.C. to undermine its inherent right of self-defense.” Any intervention by the I.C.C. “would set a dangerous precedent that threatens the soldiers and officials of all democracies fighting savage terrorism and wanton aggression,” Mr. Netanyahu said.

The I.C.C. is the world’s only permanent international court with the power to prosecute individuals accused of war crimes, genocide and crimes against humanity. It cannot try defendants in absentia, but its warrants can make international travel difficult. The court has no police force, relying instead on its members to make arrests. An arrested suspect is typically transferred to The Hague to appear before the court.

Israel has denied causing the hunger crisis in Gaza or placing limits on humanitarian aid entering the territory. It says the United Nations and other organizations have failed to adequately distribute food and other humanitarian goods there. But aid experts have said the crisis is a direct result of the war and Israel’s near-complete siege of the territory.

The food situation in Gaza was considered stable before the war began, but it has sharply deteriorated since then and the prospect of famine has been looming for months. Israeli officials impose rigorous checks on any aid going into Gaza, which is home to around 2.2 million people, and the chaotic conditions on the ground there make aid deliveries difficult.

— Matthew Mpoke Bigg

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21. May 2024, 12:31 #9039

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par ICC īsti komentējot man patīk kā šie grasās pret abiem - Yahya Sinwar un Bibi izsludināt; neuzņemos komentēt cik pamatoti/nepamatoti, bet sasmējos, jo pēc būtības jau abi divi ir atbildīgi par n-to desmitu tūkstošu cilvēku bojāeju.

un, protams, katrs no šīs atbildīgās puses saka, ka vainīga ir tikai otra puse!
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21. May 2024, 18:23 #9040

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21 May 2024, 12:31:29 @kreativsniks rakstīja:
par ICC īsti komentējot man patīk kā šie grasās pret abiem - Yahya Sinwar un Bibi izsludināt; neuzņemos komentēt cik pamatoti/nepamatoti, bet sasmējos, jo pēc būtības jau abi divi ir atbildīgi par n-to desmitu tūkstošu cilvēku bojāeju.

un, protams, katrs no šīs atbildīgās puses saka, ka vainīga ir tikai otra puse!

Neredzu kā atbildīgi - parasta ieilgusi ķīlnieku atbrīvošanas operācija. Nu neizdodas 7 dienās, attiecīgi process turpinās. Gribi teikt ķīlniekus valstij vajag pamest?
Nu un kur malku cērt, tur skaidas lec.
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