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PG  | |  Kopš: 13. Apr 2005
Ziņojumi: 6934
Braucu ar: 8
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15 May 2009, 14:45:58 edzulis rakstīja:
15 May 2009, 13:54:32 viagris rakstīja:
Un te rezultāts pēc kursiem  
njaaa
Bet nu šitāda darbvieta ir iespējama tikai UK, jo mums te nerāda tos zirgu kanālus. JA nemaldos setanta un sky.
palasiju tur... "....So my total was £50,256.59. After the Betfair premium charge of approximately 20% it's more like £40k. Still good, but gutting that they steal that money off of me in the way they do" kas tie pa 20% 
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| Napalm | |  Kopš: 02. Mar 2006
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 1226
Braucu ar: 234
| Nepateikshu preciizi, jo esmu aizmirsis, bet betfair skiet saakot ar 2008.gadu labaakajiem speleetaajiem noleema iekaseet papildus 20% no pelnjas. Skiet ka parastoo, mazo gambleri tas neskar, bet long term speleetaaju, kas speeleejaas ar tuukstoshiem gan. Ja kaads preciizi atceras vai atrod info, tad droshi palabo. 
Bija pat baigi daudz diskusiju par to visu, ka betfair ljoti cuuciigi izriikojushies un tajaa briidii skiet arii daudzi mekleeja citu treidinga variantu, jo nebija gatavi 20% no pelnas vienkarshi atdod betfairam.[ Šo ziņu laboja Napalm, 15 May 2009, 19:43:50 ] | | Offline | | |
| PG | | Kopš: 13. Apr 2005
Ziņojumi: 6934
Braucu ar: 8
| betfairaa zem about us viss ir aprakstiits... taa arii ir, ka nazhiem slauc 20% 
vel tur palasiijos un izradaas man arii slauc 20%  jo nav comfirmed identity.. turklaat pirmo reizi redzu, ka kopijaam jaabuut parakstiitam no menta/aarsta/skolotaaja u.c. puses, apliecienot ka kopija atbilst orgjinaalam 
takaa tie, kas nav comfirmed identy, do it, savadaak komisija 20%
par shito edzuli/viagra/napalms jau takaa vareeja startinjaa pabridinaat  [ Šo ziņu laboja tornis, 15 May 2009, 21:09:34 ]
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edzulis  | |  Kopš: 13. May 2002
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 56481
Braucu ar: S212, 911TT, 951, 635csi, NSX, Tillotson t4
| es par tādu sūdu nezinājāju  No cik tad viņi slauc? Nu tad PN viņus betdaq šaubos vai tā rīkojas... | | Offline | | |
| Ziben | |  Kopš: 27. Mar 2003
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 475
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| bieži skatos http://www.online-betting-guide.co.uk/hot-tips.php
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betshoot.com
var sho to izmantot ... | | Offline | | |
| edzulis | | Kopš: 13. May 2002
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 56481
Braucu ar: S212, 911TT, 951, 635csi, NSX, Tillotson t4
| un betangels ir arī priekš betdaq.
principā visas iespējas uztaisīt tādu lapu  | | Offline | | |
| PG | | Kopš: 13. Apr 2005
Ziņojumi: 6934
Braucu ar: 8
| 6) Premium Charges
In addition to the other charges detailed above, a small number (less than 0.5%) of our most successful customers will incur Premium Charges.
Premium Charges will take effect from 22nd September 2008 with the first charges paid the following week (week commencing 29th September 200 .
Please note that if you become eligible to incur Premium Charges, we will contact you before any charges are paid.
Calculating Potential Charges
Each week Betfair will calculate your ‘gross profits’* made, and your ‘total charges’** generated over the previous 60 week period. The details of these calculations are explained below.
You’ll only be considered for the Premium Charge if your account is in profit over the previous 60 weeks, and only if the total charges generated during that period are less than 20% of your gross profits.
The vast majority of customers, and even the majority of those whose betting on Betfair was profitable over the previous 60 weeks, do not meet both these conditions and will not incur the Premium Charge.
While those conditions accurately describe our most successful customers, they might also apply to new customers who have only bet in a few markets, or those whose accounts are in profit because of a significant big win. To ensure that those accounts are not inadvertently charged, we’ve added two further conditions: any single win that constitutes more than 50% of gross profits over the previous 60 weeks will be excluded from the calculation, and customers will only be considered for the Premium Charge if they have bet in more than 250 markets during that 60 week period.
Each customer will also have an allowance in each 60 week period of £1,000 against the Premium Charge. This means that every customer considered for the Premium Charge will be exempted from the first £1,000 of the charge in each 60 week period.
Please note that for the purposes of calculating the charge we will assume that the charge has been in place since January 2005. This means that customers that would have paid Premium Charges before 22nd September 2008 will be given the credit of hypothetical charges paid in the past in order to offset potential future charges. However, this also means that for some customers, some or all of the £1,000 allowance against the charge will have been used prior to 22nd September 2008 in order to offset hypothetical charges paid i.e. the allowance applies to each 60 week period and not from any given date. Assuming hypothetical charges, less allowance, had been paid prior to introduction of the charge has the effect of reducing the amount that customers would typically incur.
Each week the customers who meet all the conditions set out above will be charged the lesser of:
The difference between 20% of the previous week’s gross profits and the total charges generated during the week; and
The difference between 20% of the previous 60 weeks’ gross profits and the total charges generated during that period.
This means that customers will never be faced with a Premium Charge that is more than 20% of their gross profits for the previous week.
Please note that the second of the two calculations set out above can only ever reduce the Premium Charge and will apply on the rare occasion that the difference between 20% of the previous 60 weeks’ gross profits and the total charges generated during that period is less than the same calculation for the previous week.
Premium Charges will be deducted from customer accounts weekly (on Wednesdays) in relation to the previous week’s activity (Monday to Sunday).
Accounts that relate to one person, entity, API subscription or a Master Account with related Sub- accounts (Trading version only) are treated as one customer for the purposes of calculating Premium Charges. Note that no Betfair points will accrue for Premium Charges.
*By ‘gross profits’ we mean the amounts won, excluding total charges, less the amounts lost, on all Betfair markets.
**By ‘total charges’ we mean all commission generated by Betfair as a result of your betting, plus any Transaction Charges, Data Request Charges and Premium Charges you’ve incurred. ‘Commission generated’ includes the commission paid on winnings, but also the commission that Betfair makes from the other customers who win in markets in which you’ve lost, which we call ‘implied commission’. When you win, Betfair collects commission at your rate of commission, but when you lose, the commission collected by Betfair from the winners is at their rate. So we’ll determine the commission generated by your betting activity to be:
Commission generated = (Commission + Implied Commission) ÷ 2
where
Implied Commission = market losses x average market commission rate
We divide by 2 because otherwise we’d be counting each pound of commission twice.
Premium Charge Summary
You will only be considered for the Premium Charge if, over the previous 60 weeks, you satisfy the following criteria:
Your account is in profit;
Your total charges generated are less than 20% of gross profits; and
You bet in more than 250 markets.
Two further conditions reduce the likelihood that you will be required to pay the Premium Charge:
Any single win that constitutes more than 50% of your gross profits over the previous 60 weeks will be excluded from the calculation; and
Each customer will have a 60 week allowance of £1,000 against the Premium Charge.
Each week the customers who meet all the conditions set out above will be charged the lesser of:
The difference between 20% of the previous week’s gross profits and the total charges generated during the week; and
The difference between 20% of the previous 60 weeks’ gross profits and the total charges generated during that period.
Examples
Example 1
You have won gross profits of £10,000 over the previous 60 weeks having bet in 800 markets. You have paid total charges of £980; all of which has been paid through commission generated. You have not been charged any Premium Charges over the previous 60 weeks although you have fully used up your annual allowance of £1,000.
During the previous week you won £500 and paid total charges of £80. You are therefore charged £20 in Premium Charges ((£500 x 20%) - £80 = £20).
Example 2 – Charge Allowance
You have won gross profits of £10,000 over the previous 60 weeks having bet in 320 markets. You have paid total charges of £1,050; £850 commission generated, £200 Transaction Charges and £0 Premium Charges.
During the previous week you won £500 and paid total charges of £50. In the absence of a charge allowance you would have been charged Premium Charges of £50 ((£500 x 20%) - £50 = £50). However, the £50 is offset against the £1,000 charge allowance meaning that no additional Premium Charge is paid. You then carry over the balance of your charge allowance (£950) to offset against potential future Premium Charges.
Example 3 – Excluding ‘big’ wins
You have won gross profits of £8,000 over the previous 60 weeks having bet in 500 markets. You have paid total charges of £1,025, all of which has been paid through commission generated.
During the previous week you won £5,000 from a single market and paid total charges of £125. As the win constitutes more than 50% of your total gross profits over the previous 60 weeks, it is excluded for the purposes of calculating the Premium Charge. However, the commission generated on the win does contribute towards total charges paid.
After the win is removed you have gross profits of £3,000 and total charges of £1,025 and therefore incur no additional Premium Charge.
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| PG | | Kopš: 13. Apr 2005
Ziņojumi: 6934
Braucu ar: 8
| nevaru atrast tajaa betdaq par komisijaam.... salidzinaashanai apskatiijos cik ir matched uz nadaala speeli - 177k, betfaira 8mio....
p.s. bet buutu labi sasniegt to liimeni, kad prasa 20% komisiju [ Šo ziņu laboja tornis, 15 May 2009, 23:05:46 ]
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| blade_ | |  Kopš: 11. Sep 2005
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 1980
Braucu ar: velisopēdu sapnī
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15 May 2009, 23:05:18 tornis rakstīja:
nevaru atrast tajaa betdaq par komisijaam.... salidzinaashanai apskatiijos cik ir matched uz nadaala speeli - 177k, betfaira 8mio....
p.s. bet buutu labi sasniegt to liimeni, kad prasa 20% komisiju
Nu Teniss bija prosta, galvas sāpes un nervu kutinošs!!! No 1-4, otrajaa setaa izvilka, tad veel divas machbumbas prodirsa Nadals, un peec tam gan salika visu pa plauktinjiem! [ Šo ziņu laboja blade_, 15 May 2009, 23:33:54 ] | | Offline | | |
| PG | | Kopš: 13. Apr 2005
Ziņojumi: 6934
Braucu ar: 8
| nu nadaals ir nadaals ntreidiju uz shito, bets skatijos gan blakus turot angle un skatoties kaa mainaas koefi. tagad to pashu ar muray-delpotro  murays baigos velk aaraa...[ Šo ziņu laboja tornis, 16 May 2009, 00:18:41 ]
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| edzulis | | Kopš: 13. May 2002
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 56481
Braucu ar: S212, 911TT, 951, 635csi, NSX, Tillotson t4
| es vienkārši uzliku pret neiespējamu soccer rezultātu un +20 atkal šodien vispār bez stresa un netērējot laiku. Pie tam caur iphone uzliku biķeros | | Offline | | |
| Harcix | |  Kopš: 16. May 2002
No: Valmiera
Ziņojumi: 7810
Braucu ar: V10
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16 May 2009, 02:17:52 edzulis rakstīja:
es vienkārši uzliku pret neiespējamu soccer rezultātu un +20 atkal šodien vispār bez stresa un netērējot laiku. Pie tam caur iphone uzliku biķeros
un uz taadu arii iespeejams kaut ko vinneet?
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| edzulis | | Kopš: 13. May 2002
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 56481
Braucu ar: S212, 911TT, 951, 635csi, NSX, Tillotson t4
| ~ 20 dienā. Nav slikti. Ņemot vērā, ka banka ir ~100GBP. Sāku ņemt ārā regulāri, savadāk aizveras širmis... | | Offline | | |
| Harcix | | Kopš: 16. May 2002
No: Valmiera
Ziņojumi: 7810
Braucu ar: V10
| nepareizi izlasiiju, sapratu, ka liki pret +20 vaartu rezultaatu 
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| Napalm | | Kopš: 02. Mar 2006
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 1226
Braucu ar: 234
| taax, esmu izmetis liikumu pa riigas kultuuras iestaadeem un jaaiet guleet. Viss beidzaas ar drankja pienu > rinda > draudzene pazino ka nevar aizmigt > maajas.
Par to betfair komisiju - torni, tev tieshaam kaads taisaas iekaseet tos papildus 20% no pelnjas????? Neticu. Ja tu neesi sakasiijis vissmaz 1000 pelnju.
Man kopsummaa betfair ir -, jo pirms kaada laicinja muhljiiju caur interneta maarketingu $ un pamatiigi pelnja aizgaaja uz nepareizo pusi (toto kantoris). Taa kaa, man veel uz vairaakiem simtiem nekaada stresa | | Offline | | |
| PG | | Kopš: 13. Apr 2005
Ziņojumi: 6934
Braucu ar: 8
| man galiigi nav stresa, ka man ierubiis Premiums charge (20%) man vairaak stress, ka neviens nepateica, kaa arii betfairs to ipashi neuzsver/neagjitee, ka jaunajiem useriem, pirms ir comfirmed identy, arii slauc 20% komisiju
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| edzulis | | Kopš: 13. May 2002
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 56481
Braucu ar: S212, 911TT, 951, 635csi, NSX, Tillotson t4
| Es tā arī nesapratu. Kāds var īsumā apstāstīt, kurā gadījumā ņem tos 20%, neskaitot jaunos userus
Ja tā ir taisnība tad nopietni jāapsver sava betfaira taisīšana ar īpaši izdevīgiem noteikumiem [ Šo ziņu laboja edzulis, 16 May 2009, 11:22:55 ] | | Offline | | |
| Napalm | | Kopš: 02. Mar 2006
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 1226
Braucu ar: 234
| pats laikam neesmu apstiprinaajis savu identitaati tur, tapeec iisti nezinu tos 20%.
Nemekleejot kas ir kas, man skiet ka tie 20% ir -
ja tu neesi apstiprinaajis savu identitati, tad tev komisijas diskaunts maximums var buut 20%.
Man shobriid ir 2%
Rekur doshu piemeeru, kapeec man nepatiik lietot moneybokers -
Izneemu no toto 77.7 eur uz mb (negribeeju gaidiit, kamer atnaks uz kontu un uz mb bija 3x aatraak). Tur man ienaaca 53.76 Ls
Tad nu gribeeju paarlikt sho $ uz betfair, bet izdevaas iznemt TIKAI 73 euro (0.69 sant palika mb kontaa).
Tas noziimee, ka esmu pazaudeejis ~ 3.7 euro uz sho dariijumu kas ir 2.5 Ls un man tas neskiet normaali Tas viss aiziet tizlajaas valuutas konvertaacijaas.
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| PG | | Kopš: 13. Apr 2005
Ziņojumi: 6934
Braucu ar: 8
| napalm, jaunajiem useriem ir 20% komisija, ja nav apstiprināta identitāte. kad apstiprini identitāti, tad komisija ir 5% mīnus discounts!
kā es saprotu, tad Premium charge ierubii, ja par periodu(pēdējās 60 ned.) tev ir peļņa(neskaitot komisijas) un samaksātās komisijas par šo periodu ir mazākas kā 20% procenti no šīs peļņas.
+ plus tur vel ir nosacījumi par big wins, kas nekaitās, kā arī min 250 marketos jabuut bijushiem betiem tajaas 60ned, lai tev vareetu piemerot premium charge.
sanāk, ka, kameer 60 ned nav pagajushas, premium nevar noraut... zipaa 59ned un tad taisi jaunu kontu lai gan, gan jau vinji taapat tevi noslauks, ja pirmaas 50ned uztaisiisi baigo profitu
bet nu, no saakuma ir jatiek liidz taadam levelim, un tad par to jaasaak stresot [ Šo ziņu laboja tornis, 16 May 2009, 13:13:36 ]
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| edzulis | | Kopš: 13. May 2002
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 56481
Braucu ar: S212, 911TT, 951, 635csi, NSX, Tillotson t4
| Napalm, tu jauc par to komisiju kaut ko. Varbūt tev ir 2% atlaide no tiem 5%? Sanāk 5-2%=4.9% komisija.
Jo lai būtu 2% komisija, vajag uzturēt visu laiku ~ 150.000 betfair points, kas ir nereāli..
p.s Tāpat nesapratu par to premium charge, bet gan jau... Ja līdz tam nonāks, pārvākšos uz betdaq. Vismaz brīvdienās nebūs jāškrobojas par bremzi vai neiešanu | | Offline | | |
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