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Lafter  | |  Kopš: 23. Sep 2007
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| Zelenskis ar sapratis- kad ar tiem dauņiem nav ko diskutēt.
‘Modi can influence the end of war’: Zelenskyy
Ja gribi vienoties- runā pats ar Ķīnu un Indiju. [ Šo ziņu laboja Lafter, 28 Oct 2024, 16:44:21 ]
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| Lafter | | Kopš: 23. Sep 2007
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12 Nov 2024, 23:28:01 @Samsasi rakstīja:
Starp citu, kur pazudis droņī dīdotajs maģārs?
Strādà  
Vēl vakardien figurēja. Bet ne lielai dałai publikas.
Arty Green ari mazāk redzams. Bet ir vietas, kur figurē. Tas ir viens no iemesliem, kāpēc es neko nekomentēju vairs. Kad viss beigsies- vēl viens cilvēks no powera pastāstīs daudz. Un prasītos pāris uzraut stabos. Arī, no Lv.
Cilvēki dara savu darbu- visi dzīvi. Tas viss, ko varu pateikt. Ausis ir visur.[ Šo ziņu laboja Lafter, 12 Nov 2024, 23:37:36 ]
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| Lafter | | Kopš: 23. Sep 2007
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| Z-Koreja arī sāk bruņojumu sūtīt. Haubices, tankus, pašgājējartilērija utt. Ešaloniem. Un tur tās mantas pietiek. Pirms norēkt- lai kāda tà tehnika būtu. Tas, ko viņa šauj- spràgst.
Problēma ir tajà, kamēr tas ir kurskas apgabalā. Neviens neko teikt nevar. Arī Ukraina.
Viņiem ir noslēgts savstarpējās palīdzības līgums. Iebrukuma gadījumā iet palīgā.
Ja parādīsies Ukrainā- tā jau ir iesaistīšanās konfliktā.
Tehnika+karavīri.[ Šo ziņu laboja Lafter, 14 Nov 2024, 14:57:01 ]
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14 Nov 2024, 14:55:50 @Lafter rakstīja:
Z-Koreja arī sāk bruņojumu sūtīt. Haubices, tankus, pašgājējartilērija utt. Ešaloniem. Un tur tās mantas pietiek. Pirms norēkt- lai kāda tà tehnika būtu. Tas, ko viņa šauj- spràgst.
Problēma ir tajà, kamēr tas ir kurskas apgabalā. Neviens neko teikt nevar. Arī Ukraina.
Viņiem ir noslēgts savstarpējās palīdzības līgums. Iebrukuma gadījumā iet palīgā.
Ja parādīsies Ukrainā- tā jau ir iesaistīšanās konfliktā.
Tehnika+karavīri.
Nu pēc šiem teju 3 gadiem, mani māc lielas aizdomas, ka nevienu tā baigi nemaz neinteresēs, ja Zkorejieši bruks pa tiešo Ukrainā... Nu būs kaut kādas "we strongly condemn" preses relīzes. Un? Vai tāpēc vairāk stroķus iedos un atļaus šaut kur grib? Diez vai. | | Offline | | |
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14 Nov 2024, 14:55:50 @Lafter rakstīja:
Z-Koreja arī sāk bruņojumu sūtīt. Haubices, tankus, pašgājējartilērija utt. Ešaloniem. Un tur tās mantas pietiek. Pirms norēkt- lai kāda tà tehnika būtu. Tas, ko viņa šauj- spràgst.
Problēma ir tajà, kamēr tas ir kurskas apgabalā. Neviens neko teikt nevar. Arī Ukraina.
Viņiem ir noslēgts savstarpējās palīdzības līgums. Iebrukuma gadījumā iet palīgā.
Ja parādīsies Ukrainā- tā jau ir iesaistīšanās konfliktā.
Tehnika+karavīri.
Tur nav ko norēkt. Ir visai sena pašgājējartilērija viņiem, piemēram tas pats koksans - šauj jaudīgi un visai tālu. Par precizitāti nezinu, bet, ja tādas ir daudz, tad var klāt un klāt. | | Offline | | |
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| uldens1 | |  Kopš: 28. Feb 2008
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14 Nov 2024, 14:55:50 @Lafter rakstīja:
Z-Koreja arī sāk bruņojumu sūtīt. Haubices, tankus, pašgājējartilērija utt. Ešaloniem. Un tur tās mantas pietiek. Pirms norēkt- lai kāda tà tehnika būtu. Tas, ko viņa šauj- spràgst.
Problēma ir tajà, kamēr tas ir kurskas apgabalā. Neviens neko teikt nevar. Arī Ukraina.
Viņiem ir noslēgts savstarpējās palīdzības līgums. Iebrukuma gadījumā iet palīgā.
Ja parādīsies Ukrainā- tā jau ir iesaistīšanās konfliktā.
Tehnika+karavīri.
Nu pat ja iesaistīsies ukrainā,kas tālāk??Galvenais neeskalēt situāciju ar atacamiem pa krieviju nedrīkstēs šaut  Vienīgā problēma rietumiem,būs jaizgudro jaunas atmazkas neieviest sankcijas un neeskalēt situāciju | | Offline | | |
| uldens1 | | Kopš: 28. Feb 2008
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| Lafter | | Kopš: 23. Sep 2007
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| Ukraine Prioritizes Security, Not Territory, as Trump Pushes Truce Talks President-elect Donald J. Trump may accelerate the timetable for a truce. Kyiv views guarantees against renewed aggression as crucial to any settlement.
Ukrainian officials have said for months that they would not cede territory occupied by Russia in any peace settlement. Now, as Ukraine contemplates an accelerated timetable for negotiations pushed by President-elect Donald J. Trump, it is putting at least as much importance on obtaining security guarantees as on where an eventual cease-fire line might fall.
With Ukrainian forces steadily losing ground in the east, two senior officials said that defending Ukraine’s interests in potential talks would hinge not on territorial boundaries, which are likely to be determined by the fighting, but on what assurances are in place to make a cease-fire hold.
“Talks should be based on guarantees,” said Roman Kostenko, the chairman of the Ukrainian Parliament’s Defense and Intelligence Committee. “For Ukraine, nothing is more important.”
A senior Ukrainian official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive negotiations, was more direct. “The territorial question is extremely important, but it’s still the second question,” the official said, “The first question is security guarantees.”
Ukraine sets its borders based on its 1991 declaration of independence. Russia has since gained control of about 20 percent of Ukrainian land, but Kyiv would not formally renounce its claim over any territory under Russian occupation, Mr. Kostenko said.
That appears to be the approach Ukraine is taking to justify any possible deal in which Russia would retain control of Ukrainian land. In October, President Volodymyr Zelensky, discussing a cease-fire, said “Everyone understands that no matter what path we take, legally no one will recognize the occupied territories as belonging to other countries.”
Skepticism about Russian commitment to a settlement runs deep in Ukraine, which had a bitter experience with cease-fires in 2014 and 2015 after sparring with Russian-backed forces along the eastern border. The cease-fires did not prevent more fighting, which simmered for eight years until Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022.
Officials in Kyiv have been seeking membership in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization as a guarantee against renewed attacks from Russia. Western officials have signaled they want Ukraine to join NATO, but not on any kind of accelerated timetable.
Officials in Kyiv have also said that a robust arsenal of conventional weapons — to be provided by the West — would enable Ukraine to quickly strike back, serving as a deterrent to a resumption of hostilities.
Security guarantees, and not land, figure to be the thorniest issue in any peace deal. When Ukraine and Russia held peace talks in 2022, Russia eventually balked at the proposed deal’s critical component: an arrangement binding other countries to come to Ukraine’s defense if it were ever attacked again.
Russia has long said that it considers Ukrainian entry into NATO unacceptable. It has signaled that such a move would be a deal breaker for any cease-fire agreement, while also indicating it will want to keep control of the territory it has captured in Ukraine.
Discussions over a potential settlement have heated up since the election last week of Mr. Trump, who has vowed to press for immediate talks. That’s a shift from the Biden administration’s longtime position that the timing and terms of any settlement should be left to Ukraine. Mr. Trump has been openly skeptical about continuing American aid to Ukraine, and has said he can bring about an end to the war in one day — without saying how.
President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia has repeatedly tried to portray Ukraine as the intransigent party when it comes to peace talks, while hinting at settlement terms that are only favorable to him. Ukrainian and Western officials view his stance as a demand for capitulation.
An immediate issue for any cease-fire along the front is Ukraine’s occupation of parts of Kursk, in southwest Russia, which the Ukrainian military invaded in August. Kyiv sees the territory as a potential bargaining chip during talks, but in Moscow, Ukraine’s departure is widely seen as a prerequisite for beginning negotiations. American officials say that some 50,000 Russian and North Korean troops have massed in Kursk in preparation for a counteroffensive to drive Ukraine from Russian land.
If Ukrainians are driven from Kursk, Russia could accept a cease-fire along the front line by next spring, Konstantin Zatulin, a lawmaker in Mr. Putin’s political party, said in an interview on Monday. “Everything will be based on facts,” he said. “Everything we have is ours; everything Ukraine has is Ukraine’s.”
To some of Moscow’s hard-liners, the points of dispute, including territorial claims, make a settlement by next spring unlikely.
“It will be difficult for us to come to an agreement precisely because even our softest position involves additional territorial concessions from Ukraine,” said Konstantin Malofeev, a conservative businessman allied with the Kremlin.
The senior Ukrainian official said Kyiv would want to ensure any cease-fire line would not hurt the country’s economic recovery after the war by, for example, leaving industrial areas too insecure for investment. The width of a demilitarized zone — a buffer area between the two armies — would also be a key consideration, the officials said.
There are competing factions in Mr. Trump’s orbit who have expressed a range of views on Ukraine. A position voiced by JD Vance, the American vice president-elect, largely aligns with Kremlin talking points. His former secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, has advocated more robust military support than the Biden administration has been willing to offer.
Perhaps the most detailed clue of Mr. Trump’s views came in a July interview with Fox News.
“I would tell Zelensky, no more — you got to make a deal,” Mr. Trump said of President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine. “I would tell Putin, If you don’t make a deal, we’re going to give him a lot.”
Mr. Trump and Mr. Zelensky spoke last week, but neither side made public what was discussed.
Mr. Zelensky has been appealing for support in the United States and European nations for what he calls a “peace through strength” strategy that would shore up Ukraine’s army and potentially improve its position on the battlefield before talks commence.
But Ukraine’s plan is only one of several approaches, including a proposal by China and Brazil and another by Turkey that would address security for Black Sea shipping but could be expanded to include other issues.
For now, Ukraine is losing ground as quickly as at almost any time since the first days of the invasion. Russia has honed an effective if costly tactic of grinding forward through small infantry assaults, trading personnel for land. With too few soldiers, Ukraine has resorted to shuffling troops between hot spots on the front to prevent a collapse of the lines.
In its own plan, called the Peace Formula — widely seen as its starting point for negotiations — Ukraine has laid out 10 demands, including a full withdrawal, prosecution of war crimes and payment of reparations. At a summit in June, at which Russia was not present, those demands were not addressed.
But about 80 countries endorsed three other points in Ukraine’s plan: an exchange of prisoners of war and Russia’s release of civilian hostages; safeguarding nuclear sites such as the occupied Zaporizhzhia power plant; and guaranteeing free commercial shipping on the Black Sea.
Since then, Mr. Zelensky has softened Ukraine’s position, sending the foreign minister to China to welcome a Chinese role in talks and saying Russia could be invited to a future negotiating session on the Peace Formula.
Support for ceding territory in exchange for peace is rising among Ukrainians. A poll by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology in October showed 32 percent of Ukrainians would support such an agreement, up from 19 percent last year.
But securing a favorable settlement for Ukraine while Russia is advancing would be extremely difficult, said Andriy Zagorodnyuk, a Ukrainian former minister of defense. Russian negotiators would be unlikely to settle only for territory their army had already taken.
“Whoever is in a winning position sets the terms,” he said. “It is true for governments or businesses.”
Reporting was contributed by Anton Troianovski from Baku, Azerbaijan; Valerie Hopkins from Moscow; and Maria Varenikova and Marc Santora from Kyiv, Ukraine.
Andrew E. Kramer is the Kyiv bureau chief for The Times, who has been covering the war in Ukraine since 2014. More about Andrew E. Kramer
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| Līdz Trampam Kursku saglabās? Neizskatās, manuprāt.
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| Te par vārdu "interesants" jau kaut kad iepriekš kāds izteicās saistībā ar auto pārdošanu, kad tirgotājs ierakstīja "pārdodu auto, pretī var piedāvāt ko intersantu". Tad nu kāds gribēja piedāvāt suņa kaku... jo tas taču kādam būtu interesanti... Līdzīgi ir šeit.
Arvien vairāk parādās termini par teritoriju atdošanu un sarunām. Kāda nahesr atdošana, kādas sarunas? Kaut kāda bomžu valsts ar teroristiem, kas katru dienu nogalina cilvēkus tagad diktēs visai eiropai, kas kuram jādara?
P.S. Vakar bija interesantas 4 cilvēku bēres: mamma ar 3 maziem bērniem. | | Offline | | |
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15 Nov 2024, 06:37:41 @Elviss rakstīja:
Līdz Trampam Kursku saglabās? Neizskatās, manuprāt.
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| Nu, ja būs Kurska, tad miera sarunas nezinu kādas tur var būt. Viens okupējis otru.
Es nesaku, ka miera sarunām jābūt, es saku, ka viņas varētu būt kaut kādas pēc Trampa, var arī nebūt. Cerams, nē.
Nu, kaut ko viņi tur atgūst, cik dzirdēts, ne pārāk ātri, bet laiks vēl ir. hvz
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Intersanta dokumentālā. Neliels ieskats arī mūsu austrumu reģionu domāšanā[ Šo ziņu laboja abyss, 15 Nov 2024, 10:49:39 ] | | Online | | |
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15 Nov 2024, 06:37:41 @Elviss rakstīja:
Līdz Trampam Kursku saglabās? Neizskatās, manuprāt.
Tad būtu interesantas miera sarunas
vai tad baigi labi vatei iet ar atsišanu??
Laikam puse ko UA paņēma esot jau atgūta
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15 Nov 2024, 09:32:42 @uldens1 rakstīja:
15 Nov 2024, 06:37:41 @Elviss rakstīja:
Līdz Trampam Kursku saglabās? Neizskatās, manuprāt.
Tad būtu interesantas miera sarunas
vai tad baigi labi vatei iet ar atsišanu??
Laikam puse ko UA paņēma esot jau atgūta
laikam vai tiešām,baigi nekādi uzvaras gājieni no vates nav dzirdēti,tik cik ka katru dienu nokurina 1,5k veteņu | | Offline | | |
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