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10 Aug 2023, 16:50:54 @Lafter rakstīja:
Kad maziņs bija Tevi laikam ļoti apbižoja


ļoti darīja pāri! nav tādā vārda "apbižot" latviski :tunel:
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10 Aug 2023, 17:16:50 @user rakstīja:

10 Aug 2023, 16:50:54 @Lafter rakstīja:
Kad maziņs bija Tevi laikam ļoti apbižoja


ļoti darīja pāri! nav tādā vārda "apbižot" latviski :tunel:

apbižot
apbižot sarunvaloda, neliterārs
1.Darīt pāri; kaitēt.
2.Izzobot, izsmiet; aizvainot, aizskart.





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10 Aug 2023, 17:28:45 @Lafter rakstīja:

10 Aug 2023, 17:16:50 @user rakstīja:

10 Aug 2023, 16:50:54 @Lafter rakstīja:
Kad maziņs bija Tevi laikam ļoti apbižoja


ļoti darīja pāri! nav tādā vārda "apbižot" latviski :tunel:

apbižot
apbižot sarunvaloda, neliterārs
1.Darīt pāri; kaitēt.
2.Izzobot, izsmiet; aizvainot, aizskart.







nav tāda vārda latviešu valodā, tāpēc ir piezīme, ka "žargons"

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10 Aug 2023, 17:46:51 @Arsmens rakstīja:
Neviens nevienam bizes neliek virsū. Ir abižot.
https://tezaurs.lv/abi%C5%BEot


paprasi latviešu valodas skolotājai, nevis tezauram

na ne apbižot, ne abižot. "darīt pāri"

tīrs krievu žargons

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Kā ar piepisās

Lai neiekristu Tuneļa lamātās jāraksta tā, lai nav pārpratumi
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10 Aug 2023, 17:46:51 @Arsmens rakstīja:
Neviens nevienam bizes neliek virsū. Ir abižot.
https://tezaurs.lv/abi%C5%BEot

На обиженных хуй кладут и в жопу ебут

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10 Aug 2023, 17:52:38 @abyss rakstīja:
Kā ar piepisās

Lai neiekristu Tuneļa lamātās jāraksta tā, lai nav pārpratumi


"lai nav pārpratumu"
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10 Aug 2023, 17:48:01 @user rakstīja:

10 Aug 2023, 17:46:51 @Arsmens rakstīja:
Neviens nevienam bizes neliek virsū. Ir abižot.
https://tezaurs.lv/abi%C5%BEot


paprasi latviešu valodas skolotājai, nevis tezauram

na ne apbižot, ne abižot. "darīt pāri"

tīrs krievu žargons

Paņem acis pirkstos.
NELITERĀRS. Izmet visus anglicismus, rucifismus, vācu un varēsi
Kurmet apgaust.
Un pisās uz valodas daiļpisēju topic. Te ir ekšens ple ar unimagu pîpliem

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nu un ko tieši centies pateikt?
ka mums ir tikai viena Jaunlatvijas shēma, bet UA ir x25(jo iedzīvotāju tik)
vai OIK ir UA x25?
tas ir- mēs esam mazāki mēsli par ukraiņiem un ir iemesls lepoties?
(es tādu iemeslu neredzu)
attiecīgi- arī justies pārākiem par ukraiņiem

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Analysis of the Ukrainian counter-offensive so far Or how to disagree with editors sitting in a newsroom in New York or Washington:

1. "The counteroffensive is going badly compared to expectations".

1.1 We'd better define expectations first, right? Expectations mean what? Reaching the Sea of Azov in 60 days? Flushing the Russians out of Ukraine next week? Putin surrendering tomorrow?

Example of a difficult situation and its duration: After the Normandy landings (codenamed Neptune - part of Operation Overlord) publicly known as D-Day, the stabilization of the front and the breakthrough from the beachhead happened with the completion of the Battle of Caen. Do you know when this was completed? On 6 August 1944. That's exactly two months after the Normandy landings.

Operation Overlord, as the Battle for Normandy was called, lasted almost 3 months and involved over 2 million Allied troops against an estimated 600,000 troops of Nazi Germany.

1.2 By comparison, the start of this counteroffensive began with shaping actions, and recon-in-force in late May, early June, and now came up against the most formidable fortified defensive line of the contemporary era of warfare: the Surovikin Line. I know, we like to underestimate our opponents. I don't.

The Surovikin Line is composed of several layers, successive lines each serving several objectives. Some, the front ones, allow for elastic Russian defenses, raids, lightning Russian counterattacks, and diversions, without using their reserves in the rear lines. The middle ones protect the front lines and are the best fortified. The complexity of these defensive lines (trenches, antitank trenches, dragon's teeth) is beyond the scope of this post.

But I can assure you that from what we can all see from Maxar, and Sentinel satellites, and from what information is coming in from the field, the Russians have created an almost impenetrable system of fortifications. I stress ALMOST! Ukraine will demonstrate by late fall once again that the impossible will be possible.

Give save to this post and berate me for my optimism at the end of the year, not now, that now many are berating me without any real arguments.

1.3 Also by comparison: when did the counter-offensive in Harkiv start last year? In the second week of September and ended in October. The Harkiv counteroffensive will be etched in history for its sheer magnitude, spanning hundreds of kilometers and occurring simultaneously with another counterattack: the Herson counteroffensive. The Herson counteroffensive was several hundred kilometers long, and it was running at the same time. For those who are interested in what this extraordinary thing is, I would ask them to look for any two counter-offensives, executed simultaneously, on two fronts a thousand miles apart and which counter-offensives, both of them to succeed.

I would like us to take a breath, take a deep breath, and read the last paragraph again. Then let's ask ourselves one more time whether Ukraine understands anything about this war or not. I think it not only understands but understands more than those sitting in an office in New York or London do.

2. "Ukraine does not use tactics and training learned in the West".

2.1 It was shocking to read this from journalists in the civilized West. Sometimes I get the impression that they not only don't understand what is going on in Eastern Europe and beyond, but in the extreme and uncivilized East of Europe (here I mean from the eastern border of Ukraine to the further east - that is the land of uncivilization). But not only do they not seem to understand this, they do not seem to have read a single page of Soviet military doctrine, American military doctrine, or Western European military doctrine.

Why do I say that, without trying to offend anyone? Because American, Western doctrine in general is based on air supremacy or at least air superiority. An often-used example of a successful ground operation, forgetting the air side: Operation Desert Storm had a massive initial air phase, on a scale unimaginable until Operation Shock and Awe, which lasted about two weeks, in which US and allied states against Iraq destroyed absolutely everything that could be destroyed in terms of military infrastructure, military logistics and knocked out Iraqi supply lines. Only then did phase two begin, where over 700,000 troops from dozens of countries invaded Iraq and where the Bradley M2A2 ODS proved it could blow a T-72 to smithereens (in fact, it was the main "culprit" for destroying Iraqi tanks, contrary to the myth known to the West that the Ambrams M1A1 or A-10 Thunderbold (nicknamed the "tank killer" would be the ones to destroy the most tanks).

In Operation Desert Storm, the Iraqis had no fortified positions left standing after the massive US and Allied air campaign, no intact supply routes, and no ammunition dumps. They were practically in hell, but Saddam was willing to see the fight through to the end, and this resulted in the total annihilation of Iraqi armor that had come into conflict with thousands of Allied armor.

2.2 [Imaginary dialogue with an editor of a Western publication who can indulge in bombastic headlines for the sake of coverage] Does Ukraine have air supremacy? No. But if it doesn't have air supremacy, does it at least have air superiority? No. But if it doesn't have air superiority in general, at least in specific sectors of the front over 1200 km, does it? No. Then why are you still talking about the Ukrainians not implementing Western doctrine? First of all, if we Westerners gave them F-16s (at least with Block 50 avionics) in sufficient numbers (not 16, 20, 50), we could then talk about a crossing over the Surovikin Line much easier for the Ukrainians to accomplish, with much less loss of equipment and ESPECIALLY with much less loss of life.

So, my dear imaginary editor who likes bombastic headlines, before you write them, consider the following: Ukraine has no air superiority or supremacy. It doesn't have enough anti-mine vehicles. It does not have enough thermal imaging and night vision equipment to navigate at night. Ukraine doesn't have ATACMS missiles, to be able to destroy the fortifications on the Surovikin line, nor the LNR, or DNR depots supplying the southern front, nor does it have any kind of navy, because it was stolen from it in 2014, when our politicians (mine and yours) stood by and turned a blind eye to what was happening in Crimea (notable exception John McCain, may his soul rest in peace).

3. But why doesn't the counteroffensive like the one in Harkiv last year work?

3.1 Because it is not the same thing. The Harkiv counteroffensive was exceptionally well worked by the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), making use primarily of the telegraphing months in advance of the Herson counteroffensive. This resulted in large chunks of the Russian Army relocating to the southern front and then across the Dnieper River to the Herson front.

3.1a Because the Russians had no fortification lines (except for the normal trenches) in their defensive lines, unlike the Surovikin Line, which I described above.

3.1b Because the HIMARS had just entered the war theatre and the Russians did not have time to adapt to the devastating hits on ammunition dumps, concentrations of Russian troops, and the hitting of important tactical targets (radars, anti-aircraft systems, etc).

3.2c Because without the Surovikin Line, the Russians fled once the counter-offensive began in force.

3.2 Because this counteroffensive is operationally totally different from the one in Harkiv. If at the operational level, the objective of the Harkiv counteroffensive was to liberate Harkiv, keep the Ukrainians' logistical lines short, inflict minimal losses, and make rapid gains, including in Lugansk Oblast, in this counteroffensive, at the operational level, we can only guess at the objective, but it may even be at the strategic level, which has not yet been seen in this war, and here I am referring to preparing the ground for the recapture of Crimea. Or it may mean the liberation of Mariupol. Or it may simply mean the elimination of the Russians' only operational victory since the beginning of the invasion: the land corridor between Donbas and Crimea.

4. "Oh dear, no time, winter is coming. What shall we do?"

When did the Harkiv counteroffensive start? In the second week of September 2022. When was it completed? The first week of October.

Do you know why it ended in October? Because one of the objectives of the operation was to keep logistical lines to a minimum length. Otherwise, today, Svatove was under the control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but we don't know and will never know if it would have been sustainable to advance another few dozen kilometers and make the logistic lines vulnerable, thus making the gains unsustainable and increasing the risk of loss of life. Here the Ukrainian commanders' reason trumped the irrationality, emotion, and effervescence of the Western public, all emotions I support and share. But it is good that we are not the commanders of the Ukrainian Army, but those who can keep their cool in critical moments.

So to answer the question: What do we do? We deliver as much ammunition and equipment as we can so that in September we can penetrate all the "layers" of the Surkovikin Line and in October the operation will lead to achieving one of the objectives that I can sense: severing the Donbas-Crimea land bridge.

5. So where do we stand after all? Are we going well? Are we going badly?

5.1 This is war. War itself, is an unpredictable, fluid human activity that doesn't take into account what some people want or dream about on Twitter. Therefore, we can't (or I can't) predict the future like reading from a crystal ball. But there are already, with all the losses we've discussed before, breakthroughs of the first defensive lines of the Surovikin Line.

At the same time, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are slowly opening a new front in Herson, putting the Russian commanders in a dilemma. We are defending the Zaporizhzhia or Crimean Front (for from Hola Prystan - Herson, the eastern bank of the Dnieper, to Armiansk is 95 km away) where there are only 3-5 Russian brigades (and those mostly made up of reservists or those mobilized in the fall), indicating a huge vulnerability on that front.

5.2 The breakthrough of the first Surovikin Lines, was possible only after the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) changed their attack tactics and started to remove the main pillar of Russian military doctrine: artillery. Without artillery disappearing from some front sectors, there was no way to get through millions of anti-armor mines, mines laid out in such a way that the Russians could predict exactly which attack lane you would use. Right now Russia is losing 0.5-1% of the total artillery guns it had BEFORE the invasion, per day. I repeat: per day. Thank you M30 and M31 from the MSLR family of HIMARS, M270, LRU, and MARS II. This will drastically thin the Russian's ability to defend themselves. The Herson front is generated to move troops from the Zaporojie front area and annihilate the AFU on the only viable M-14 route before they reach Cossack Camps, Oleshky, or Hola Prystan.

6. Well? So it's good?

6.1 It's better than most Western publications write. That's my opinion and it wouldn't be the first time I've gone against the grain of Western military analysts. Last year, they (analysts) were announcing a counter-offensive in April. April, I wonder? Well, April is the month Hitler wanted to attack Kursk and Hans Guderian suggested he should wait until May. Whether this was Guderian's good or bad decision, we will never know.

We do know that we had the greatest armored/tank battle in the history of mankind and we also know that this battle took place because it was dry ground. If Nazi Germany had attacked through Operation Citadel when Hitler gave the order (in April), we would have had no battle at all, because the Nazi armor would have remained stuck in the mud.

I said there would be no counteroffensive in April, but it would start in May-June at the earliest (as I said in January in a podcast, that this year's would start in May at the latest - and somehow I happened to be right. I'm not bragging, just merely observing). Last year's started then, with the attack from the Herson front on Mykolaiv (many of you may have forgotten, surely most editors have forgotten Schevchenkove, Posad-Pokrovske, Kyselivka, Chornobaivka), from the successful bridgehead over Ihnulets, from Davydiv Brid and from the north from Novovoskrensenske to Mylove. It took months. But it achieved its goal: on 10.11.2022, Herson was liberated. Almost 6 months of counter-offensive.

6. 2 The counteroffensive now is much harder than Herson and Harkiv put together, but the intelligence of the Ukrainian commanders, the high morale of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and the low morale of the Russians (who now just HOPE Ukrainians won't cross the Surovikin Line - I repeat, save this post - I'll show you that it will be breached, and are getting drunk with cold water by repeatedly reading the Western headlines), the change in AFU tactics, the piercing in some important areas of the first defensive lines, the huge manpower reserves the Ukrainian Armed Forces have and the Russians don't, leads me to one thought (but maybe I'm wrong):

Ukraine will accomplish at least one goal this year: They will reach the Sea of Azov.

6.3 If they reach Mariupol as well, we will witness one of the biggest genocides in decades, and then the West will be morally obliged not to turn its head, but to act decisively in helping Ukrainians win in this unjust, unfair, immoral, illegal and illegitimate war started by Russia in 2014 and continued with the full-scale invasion on 24 February 2022.

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Thank you to all of you who have resisted reading this post this far. I know I write long and my posts are not always to your liking, but I am trying to bring, to the best of my knowledge, value to the discussion here.

If you find that value in this post I invite you to share (retweet, xtweet?), leave your opinion in a comment, and hit the like button. Why? Let's not forget that there is also an informational front and I think it's important and push back on the Russian lies, but also the narratives that give them credibility, with arguments. Calm, cold, factual.

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Par to kas kur ir pārāks es nezinu, bet cik esmu bijis ukrainā pāris reizes, tad secinu droši, ka ar korupciju tur bija lielas problēmas, jā pat lielākas nekā LV un no tā tur cieta praktiski visas jomas, arī tagad kā redzam ir un noteikti būs, tāpat kā te, vienkārši tur uz kara fona aktīvi sāk tvarstīt visādus pamatotus sūdbrāļus
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10 Aug 2023, 19:39:21 @user rakstīja:
bla, atkal ukraiņi


https://www.delfi.lv/news/national/criminal/fot...pu.d?id=55831856


Kādi ukraiņi? Ruslani. Visi teksti telegram tīrā rus valodā.

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10 Aug 2023, 23:23:08 @Kaross rakstīja:

10 Aug 2023, 19:39:21 @user rakstīja:
bla, atkal ukraiņi


https://www.delfi.lv/news/national/criminal/fot...pu.d?id=55831856


Kādi ukraiņi? Ruslani. Visi teksti telegram tīrā rus valodā.

Atslābsti puis.
Man pirms pāris stundām sēdēja pretī ukrainiete, kas pirms tam kijevā 4 gadus strādājusi tādā kantorī. Un tur to kantoru ir daudz. Vieni no slaucamākajiem tieši bijušas baltijas valstis. Un runā tīrā krievu valodā. Kā jebkurš ukrainis.
Dažreiz atslābstiet leopardu pavēlnieki aràde_maskavā: :defoult_russia:
:raķetes5x _beigušās:

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10 Aug 2023, 22:51:20 @wanksta rakstīja:
Par to kas kur ir pārāks es nezinu, bet cik esmu bijis ukrainā pāris reizes, tad secinu droši, ka ar korupciju tur bija lielas problēmas, jā pat lielākas nekā LV un no tā tur cieta praktiski visas jomas, arī tagad kā redzam ir un noteikti būs, tāpat kā te, vienkārši tur uz kara fona aktīvi sāk tvarstīt visādus pamatotus sūdbrāļus
tas, ka korpucija Ukraina ir lielaka neka LB, par nekad nav bijushas shaubas.

Logika ir ljoti vienkrasha un neapgazhama: jo tuvak geografiski/kulturali/lingvistiski/un hvz kaa vel paRashai, jo lielaka korupcija, nepotisms, krapnieciba, pohujisms valdis sabiedriba. Tas ir neapgazhams fakts.

p.s. palugshu nevienam, ka dirsa sap delj reitumiem un pindosijas, nesakt dirst, ka rietumos tak ar ir korupcija. Es neko nesalidzinu un nelielu, tikai noradu uz faktu par lielako miskasti pasaule, kuru vajdzetu etniski iztiirit, un kaa taa ietekme sev apakrt esoshas valstis ar savu debilismu.
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11 Aug 2023, 01:06:06 @Lafter rakstīja:
Atslābsti puis.
Man pirms pāris stundām sēdēja pretī ukrainiete, kas pirms tam kijevā 4 gadus strādājusi tādā kantorī. Un tur to kantoru ir daudz. Vieni no slaucamākajiem tieši bijušas baltijas valstis. Un runā tīrā krievu valodā. Kā jebkurš ukrainis.
Dažreiz atslābstiet leopardu pavēlnieki aràde_maskavā: :defoult_russia:
:raķetes5x _beigušās:



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Izklausās, ka Ukrainas vate, kas appiš Latvijas vati ir pārslēgusies uz norges vates appišanu
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11 Aug 2023, 07:57:05 @foobar rakstīja:
Izklausās, ka Ukrainas vate, kas appiš Latvijas vati ir pārslēgusies uz norges vates appišanu

aha, Latvijas pansionārus vjadzētu likvidēt, lai neslaukti visi, kas var. un jā, ukrianas vate, jo paši ukraiņi ir godīgākie pasaulē!

vienīgi labi, ka tagad, ar ukraiņu karodziņu pie krūtīm, visus var saukt par pidariem, jo ukraiņi saka, ka pidari ir jādedzina un jāspridzina!
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